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		<title>Comment on Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism by Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to put it out there that when whites are accused of racism, they should apologise quietly and discreetly and make themselves scarce. 

Peter, I suggest you read this guide: http://www.43things.com/things/view/2549/learn-how-to-effectively-respond-to-racism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to put it out there that when whites are accused of racism, they should apologise quietly and discreetly and make themselves scarce. </p>
<p>Peter, I suggest you read this guide: <a href="http://www.43things.com/things/view/2549/learn-how-to-effectively-respond-to-racism" rel="nofollow">http://www.43things.com/things/view/2549/learn-how-to-effectively-respond-to-racism</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism by Problematic Proximities, Or why Critiques of &#8220;Gay Imperialism&#8221; Matter &#124; Alana lentin.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Problematic Proximities, Or why Critiques of &#8220;Gay Imperialism&#8221; Matter &#124; Alana lentin.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This Week in Race                               &#171; Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism by Alana Lentin</title>
		<link>http://www.alanalentin.net/2009/11/02/racism-and-the-censorship-of-gay-imperialism/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Alana Lentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have published the above comments in response to Aren Aizura&#039;s piece because they accuse me of not having read the other side of the story and of printing inaccuracies. 

However, I would like to make it clear that I have read Peter Tatchell&#039;s statements and the apology printed by Raw Nerve Books. Hence I do not need them pointed out to me.

I am willing to engage in intellectual debate about the value (or lack thereof) of the critique in &#039;Gay Imperialism&#039;, which goes well beyond the individual, Peter Tatchell, himself. It is not useful to turn this into a personal issue involving certain personalities. No one is denying the commendable nature of a lot of Tatchell&#039;s work. This does not mean that aspects of it, and of those similar, cannot be critiqued. 

In the democratic society where the freedom of speech that liberal activists insist upon is permitted, such critique is vital and should be embraced rather than condemned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have published the above comments in response to Aren Aizura&#8217;s piece because they accuse me of not having read the other side of the story and of printing inaccuracies. </p>
<p>However, I would like to make it clear that I have read Peter Tatchell&#8217;s statements and the apology printed by Raw Nerve Books. Hence I do not need them pointed out to me.</p>
<p>I am willing to engage in intellectual debate about the value (or lack thereof) of the critique in &#8216;Gay Imperialism&#8217;, which goes well beyond the individual, Peter Tatchell, himself. It is not useful to turn this into a personal issue involving certain personalities. No one is denying the commendable nature of a lot of Tatchell&#8217;s work. This does not mean that aspects of it, and of those similar, cannot be critiqued. </p>
<p>In the democratic society where the freedom of speech that liberal activists insist upon is permitted, such critique is vital and should be embraced rather than condemned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism by Mods42</title>
		<link>http://www.alanalentin.net/2009/11/02/racism-and-the-censorship-of-gay-imperialism/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Mods42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steph is right. There are an awful lot of inaccuracies here.

Seeing as you couldn&#039;t be bothered finding out the other side of the story before reprinting these smears, I&#039;ll try to redress the balance.

Mods42

Peter Tatchell writes:

Despite having secured an apology from Raw Nerve Books over a false and libellous chapter in the book Out Of Place, the lies and smears against me are continuing and escalating. For defending myself against untrue allegations, I am now accused of “censorship.”

Out Of Place contains a chapter - Gay Imperialism: Gender and Sexuality Discourse in the &#039;War on Terror&#039; - by Jin Haritaworn, Tamsila Tauqir and Esra Erdem. It was published by Raw Nerve Books in 2008.

These authors make highly defamatory, libellous and untrue allegations against me. This goes beyond reasonable criticism. It involves outright lies and fabrications. Criticism is fine. Untruths are not.

That is why the publishers made this apology to me:

http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/Peter_Tatchell.pdf

Dr Jin Haritaworn is based at the LSE’s Gender Institute; Tamsila Tauqir is from the lesbian Muslim Safra Project and was awarded an MBE last year; Esra Erdem is another acdemic, now in the US but formerly connected with Corpus Christi Oxford.

The authors’ friends and supporters are spreading further smears. They accuse me of “censoring” Out Of Place.

Among the academics making accusations of censorship are Dr Umut Erel, RCUK academic fellow at the Centre for Citizenship, Identities and Governance at the Open University, and Dr Christian Klesse, lecturer in Cultural Studies at the Sociology Department of the Manchester Metropolitan University:

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/ek241009.html

The real censorship is by my critics. Some of them are posting entirely false allegations, often on closed lists that do not allow me to post my side of the story.

Many of my detractors now claim that I forced the book to be withdrawn from sale and that I pressured the publishers to declare it “Out of Print.” Not so.

I have not suppressed the book, Out of Place, or forced it out of print.
The book was listed as “Out of Print” on the Raw Nerve Books website before I contacted the publishers and challenged the lies and falsehoods written about me.

The book was not withdrawn on my account. It had already ceased to be available before I approached the publishers.

I have no objection to Out Of Place being reprinted, providing it does not include the lies and fabrications about me. I made this clear to Raw Nerve Books in a letter dated 29 July 2009.

I did not use the libel laws. This is another lie.

When I presented the publishers with evidence that refuted the accusations against me in Out of Place, they very honourably agreed to publish an apology.

Academics are supposed to adhere to the highest standards of facts, truth and of evidence-based assertions, with proper footnoting and sourcing for what they write. The authors of the chapter that defames me did not do this. They made claims that are untrue and for which there is no evidence. They provided no footnotes or sources for their outrageous false allegations. They are guilty of poor research, shoddy scholarship and desertion of academic standards.

Jin Haritaworn, Tamsila Tauqir and Esra Erdem suggest that I am anti-Muslim. This is pure fiction. I have campaigned against fundamentalist Muslims (in the same way that I have campaigned against fundamentalist Christians), not against Muslim people in general. I have always made this distinction very clear.

The authors explicitly claim or implicitly insinuate the following:

Tatchell has “claimed the role of liberator and expert about Muslim gays and lesbians.” Not true. I have never made such a claim or adopted such a role.

Tatchell is Islamophobic and is “part of the Islamophobia industry.” Not true. I have defended many Muslim victims of injustice and condemned anti-Muslim prejudice. Indeed, in 1998 I drafted a law to protect Muslims (and others) against discrimination, harsssment and hate crimes. It was, sadly, rejected by the government.

Tatchell is racist and has engaged in “racial” politics. Not true. I have a 40-year record of anti-racist and anti-apartheid campaigning.

Tatchell has described “Muslims as Nazis” and made the equation “Muslim=Nazi” and “Muslim=Evil.” Not true. I have never attacked Muslims in general – only fundamentalists who oppose democracy, equality and human rights.

Tatchell has “collaborated with the extreme right” and “participated with several racist and fascist groups.” Not true. I have fought the far-right for four decades and been a victim of violent attacks by neo-Nazis because of my defence of black, Muslim, Jewish and LGBT people.

It is utterly shameful for any authors, let alone academics, to abandon honesty, truth and integrity, in order to misrepresent and lie about other people in order to wage petty, sectarian political wars.

We should fight the real oppressors and not pick fights with, and publish false allegations against, other progressive people.

Sectarian attacks undermine the struggle for human rights, social justice, peace and anti-imperialism.

For me, the sole issue is that this book printed lies. I have no objection to people criticising me, but making untrue allegations and smearing fellow comrades is shameful and has no place in progressive politics.

All my articles, speeches and news releases are archived on my website. You can view them here:

http://www.petertatchell.net

I invite anyone to find evidence that I am Islamophobic, racist or a supporter of imperialist wars or the injustices of the “war on terror.” Take a look at the totality of my campaigns since 1967. Even if you disagree with a particular campaign or article, please judge me on my overall record.

Free speech, which I defend, should not include the right to print lies that cause other people harm and which seek to pursue sectarian vendettas and to discredit political opponents. This is what the chapter in Out of Place did to me.

No one should be allowed to falsely insinuate that someone is a racist and that they collaborate with fascists. These claims in Out of Place are fiction. I have campaigned against these, and / or similar, injustices for over 40 years.
This book should not be allowed to get away with such lies about me - or anyone else.

Lies and libel that cause other people damage (as Out of Place has caused to me) are not legitimate free speech.

You would not like to be falsely accused of equating Muslim people with Nazis, consorting with fascists, colluding with the “war on terror” and promoting a racist and imperialist agenda - which is what this book accuses me of doing.

IslamaphobiaWatch, which some of my critics cite, is not a truthful, honest website. It is run by political sectarians who defame and discredit people they see as political enemies. It is full of outright lies against me and many others, including progressive, left-wing Muslims, anti-racists and supporters, like me, of the anti-war movement.

An attack on me by London&#039;s former Mayor, Ken Livingstone, is also cited by some of my detractors. Ken has since apologised for making false allegations of Islamophobia against me.

I count many leading Muslim and black activists among my friends and political comrades. They know my 42-year record of anti-racist, anti-war and anti-imperialist campaigning. They are aware that I have been a fierce defender of Muslim and black communities against state oppression, including trenchant opposition to the so-called &quot;war on terror&quot;. They would not support me and work with me if I had done the things that the book Out Of Place falsely claims.

Jin Haritaworn, Tamsila Tauqir and Esra Erdem suggest that I am anti-Muslim and implicated in colluding with the “war on terror.” This is not true.

I have been prominent in the campaigns to defend Muslims unjustly accused of terrorism, including Hicham Yezza:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/feb/23/hicham-yezza

and Hyrbyair Marri and Faiz Baluch:

http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2008/09/pakistan-marri-british-london

I stood bail and provided evidence for Mr Baluch during his terrorism trial, which helped result in his acquittal (and Mr Marri&#039;s).

I have also helped secure asylum for dozens of Muslim refugees and for Muslim victims of miscarriages of justice, such as Mohammed S:

http://www.petertatchell.net/criminalinjustice/judgechallenge.htm

For nearly four decades I have worked with the leading black, Muslim, anti-racist, anti-imperialist and left-wing campaigners in the UK. If I was the racist and Islamophobe that Haritaworn, Tauqir and Erdem suggest, why do these organisations and activists work with me?

I was one of the original endorsers of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign UK in 1982 and a keynote speaker at its founding conference, and I have supported oppressed Muslims from Palestine, to Iraq, Chechnya and Kashmir.

If, after reading this reply, you feel that I have been unfairly maligned, I hope you might consider posting this response or your own comments to any e-lists that you have access to. I would be most grateful.

I hope this reassures you. Best wishes.

Solidarity!

Peter Tatchell, London</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steph is right. There are an awful lot of inaccuracies here.</p>
<p>Seeing as you couldn&#8217;t be bothered finding out the other side of the story before reprinting these smears, I&#8217;ll try to redress the balance.</p>
<p>Mods42</p>
<p>Peter Tatchell writes:</p>
<p>Despite having secured an apology from Raw Nerve Books over a false and libellous chapter in the book Out Of Place, the lies and smears against me are continuing and escalating. For defending myself against untrue allegations, I am now accused of “censorship.”</p>
<p>Out Of Place contains a chapter &#8211; Gay Imperialism: Gender and Sexuality Discourse in the &#8216;War on Terror&#8217; &#8211; by Jin Haritaworn, Tamsila Tauqir and Esra Erdem. It was published by Raw Nerve Books in 2008.</p>
<p>These authors make highly defamatory, libellous and untrue allegations against me. This goes beyond reasonable criticism. It involves outright lies and fabrications. Criticism is fine. Untruths are not.</p>
<p>That is why the publishers made this apology to me:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/Peter_Tatchell.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/Peter_Tatchell.pdf</a></p>
<p>Dr Jin Haritaworn is based at the LSE’s Gender Institute; Tamsila Tauqir is from the lesbian Muslim Safra Project and was awarded an MBE last year; Esra Erdem is another acdemic, now in the US but formerly connected with Corpus Christi Oxford.</p>
<p>The authors’ friends and supporters are spreading further smears. They accuse me of “censoring” Out Of Place.</p>
<p>Among the academics making accusations of censorship are Dr Umut Erel, RCUK academic fellow at the Centre for Citizenship, Identities and Governance at the Open University, and Dr Christian Klesse, lecturer in Cultural Studies at the Sociology Department of the Manchester Metropolitan University:</p>
<p><a href="http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/ek241009.html" rel="nofollow">http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/ek241009.html</a></p>
<p>The real censorship is by my critics. Some of them are posting entirely false allegations, often on closed lists that do not allow me to post my side of the story.</p>
<p>Many of my detractors now claim that I forced the book to be withdrawn from sale and that I pressured the publishers to declare it “Out of Print.” Not so.</p>
<p>I have not suppressed the book, Out of Place, or forced it out of print.<br />
The book was listed as “Out of Print” on the Raw Nerve Books website before I contacted the publishers and challenged the lies and falsehoods written about me.</p>
<p>The book was not withdrawn on my account. It had already ceased to be available before I approached the publishers.</p>
<p>I have no objection to Out Of Place being reprinted, providing it does not include the lies and fabrications about me. I made this clear to Raw Nerve Books in a letter dated 29 July 2009.</p>
<p>I did not use the libel laws. This is another lie.</p>
<p>When I presented the publishers with evidence that refuted the accusations against me in Out of Place, they very honourably agreed to publish an apology.</p>
<p>Academics are supposed to adhere to the highest standards of facts, truth and of evidence-based assertions, with proper footnoting and sourcing for what they write. The authors of the chapter that defames me did not do this. They made claims that are untrue and for which there is no evidence. They provided no footnotes or sources for their outrageous false allegations. They are guilty of poor research, shoddy scholarship and desertion of academic standards.</p>
<p>Jin Haritaworn, Tamsila Tauqir and Esra Erdem suggest that I am anti-Muslim. This is pure fiction. I have campaigned against fundamentalist Muslims (in the same way that I have campaigned against fundamentalist Christians), not against Muslim people in general. I have always made this distinction very clear.</p>
<p>The authors explicitly claim or implicitly insinuate the following:</p>
<p>Tatchell has “claimed the role of liberator and expert about Muslim gays and lesbians.” Not true. I have never made such a claim or adopted such a role.</p>
<p>Tatchell is Islamophobic and is “part of the Islamophobia industry.” Not true. I have defended many Muslim victims of injustice and condemned anti-Muslim prejudice. Indeed, in 1998 I drafted a law to protect Muslims (and others) against discrimination, harsssment and hate crimes. It was, sadly, rejected by the government.</p>
<p>Tatchell is racist and has engaged in “racial” politics. Not true. I have a 40-year record of anti-racist and anti-apartheid campaigning.</p>
<p>Tatchell has described “Muslims as Nazis” and made the equation “Muslim=Nazi” and “Muslim=Evil.” Not true. I have never attacked Muslims in general – only fundamentalists who oppose democracy, equality and human rights.</p>
<p>Tatchell has “collaborated with the extreme right” and “participated with several racist and fascist groups.” Not true. I have fought the far-right for four decades and been a victim of violent attacks by neo-Nazis because of my defence of black, Muslim, Jewish and LGBT people.</p>
<p>It is utterly shameful for any authors, let alone academics, to abandon honesty, truth and integrity, in order to misrepresent and lie about other people in order to wage petty, sectarian political wars.</p>
<p>We should fight the real oppressors and not pick fights with, and publish false allegations against, other progressive people.</p>
<p>Sectarian attacks undermine the struggle for human rights, social justice, peace and anti-imperialism.</p>
<p>For me, the sole issue is that this book printed lies. I have no objection to people criticising me, but making untrue allegations and smearing fellow comrades is shameful and has no place in progressive politics.</p>
<p>All my articles, speeches and news releases are archived on my website. You can view them here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petertatchell.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.petertatchell.net</a></p>
<p>I invite anyone to find evidence that I am Islamophobic, racist or a supporter of imperialist wars or the injustices of the “war on terror.” Take a look at the totality of my campaigns since 1967. Even if you disagree with a particular campaign or article, please judge me on my overall record.</p>
<p>Free speech, which I defend, should not include the right to print lies that cause other people harm and which seek to pursue sectarian vendettas and to discredit political opponents. This is what the chapter in Out of Place did to me.</p>
<p>No one should be allowed to falsely insinuate that someone is a racist and that they collaborate with fascists. These claims in Out of Place are fiction. I have campaigned against these, and / or similar, injustices for over 40 years.<br />
This book should not be allowed to get away with such lies about me &#8211; or anyone else.</p>
<p>Lies and libel that cause other people damage (as Out of Place has caused to me) are not legitimate free speech.</p>
<p>You would not like to be falsely accused of equating Muslim people with Nazis, consorting with fascists, colluding with the “war on terror” and promoting a racist and imperialist agenda &#8211; which is what this book accuses me of doing.</p>
<p>IslamaphobiaWatch, which some of my critics cite, is not a truthful, honest website. It is run by political sectarians who defame and discredit people they see as political enemies. It is full of outright lies against me and many others, including progressive, left-wing Muslims, anti-racists and supporters, like me, of the anti-war movement.</p>
<p>An attack on me by London&#8217;s former Mayor, Ken Livingstone, is also cited by some of my detractors. Ken has since apologised for making false allegations of Islamophobia against me.</p>
<p>I count many leading Muslim and black activists among my friends and political comrades. They know my 42-year record of anti-racist, anti-war and anti-imperialist campaigning. They are aware that I have been a fierce defender of Muslim and black communities against state oppression, including trenchant opposition to the so-called &#8220;war on terror&#8221;. They would not support me and work with me if I had done the things that the book Out Of Place falsely claims.</p>
<p>Jin Haritaworn, Tamsila Tauqir and Esra Erdem suggest that I am anti-Muslim and implicated in colluding with the “war on terror.” This is not true.</p>
<p>I have been prominent in the campaigns to defend Muslims unjustly accused of terrorism, including Hicham Yezza:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/feb/23/hicham-yezza" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/feb/23/hicham-yezza</a></p>
<p>and Hyrbyair Marri and Faiz Baluch:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2008/09/pakistan-marri-british-london" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstatesman.com/society/2008/09/pakistan-marri-british-london</a></p>
<p>I stood bail and provided evidence for Mr Baluch during his terrorism trial, which helped result in his acquittal (and Mr Marri&#8217;s).</p>
<p>I have also helped secure asylum for dozens of Muslim refugees and for Muslim victims of miscarriages of justice, such as Mohammed S:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petertatchell.net/criminalinjustice/judgechallenge.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.petertatchell.net/criminalinjustice/judgechallenge.htm</a></p>
<p>For nearly four decades I have worked with the leading black, Muslim, anti-racist, anti-imperialist and left-wing campaigners in the UK. If I was the racist and Islamophobe that Haritaworn, Tauqir and Erdem suggest, why do these organisations and activists work with me?</p>
<p>I was one of the original endorsers of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign UK in 1982 and a keynote speaker at its founding conference, and I have supported oppressed Muslims from Palestine, to Iraq, Chechnya and Kashmir.</p>
<p>If, after reading this reply, you feel that I have been unfairly maligned, I hope you might consider posting this response or your own comments to any e-lists that you have access to. I would be most grateful.</p>
<p>I hope this reassures you. Best wishes.</p>
<p>Solidarity!</p>
<p>Peter Tatchell, London</p>
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		<title>Comment on Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism by Alana Lentin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alana Lentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite aware of the apology published by Raw Nerve.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Racism and the Censorship of Gay Imperialism by Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, there&#039;s a lot of innaccuracies in your post here.

A response and apology to Tatchell from Raw Nerve books is here:

http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/Peter_Tatchell.pdf

Also, it wasn&#039;t Tatchell that took any action to suppress the printing of the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there&#8217;s a lot of innaccuracies in your post here.</p>
<p>A response and apology to Tatchell from Raw Nerve books is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/Peter_Tatchell.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawnervebooks.co.uk/Peter_Tatchell.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also, it wasn&#8217;t Tatchell that took any action to suppress the printing of the book.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Griffin was right about one thing by Francois Joliot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francois Joliot</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hi Alana:

I want to comment on your post as you invited us to read it on Gary&#039;s wall.

The truth is I probably agree with Gary&#039;s conclusion that New Labour is to blame for the rise of the BNP however I very much disagree with the justification. 

In your post, you too seem to consider that Jack Straw&#039;s comments on the niqab were incendiary or offensive. I am very much supportive of the right for women (or men) to freely choose how to dress within the bounds of decency in public (although I highly support the right of men and women to also go fully naked on naturist beaches if they feel like it). As such my first view on the niqab is: if some muslim want to wear it, then they should. However, there are some additional factors there that also need to be taken into account. First of all - it is well known and well documented that the wearing of the niqab is very often under the constraint of family environment (husband, father) etc (I tell you immediately that I am ready to concede that some muslim women will say they wear it totally from their own will). As such - and also because in some Muslim countries (or some specific regions of Muslim countries - for instance there is a big difference between big cities in Syria (Aleppo/ Damascus) where you will see women unveiled, and some more remote villages where you won&#039;t see any unveiled women)) wearing the niqab is a constraint for women, and also prevents them from engaging in societal activities, or what would one call emancipation. The same happens in some places in France, and women&#039;s associations (composed of 1srt or second generation immigrants) are fighting a long and hard battle to change mentalities.

The point of the niqab is that it established an assymetric relationship between the person that wears it and the person that does not. I can bee seen, but I can&#039;t see. One of the main characters of our societies, and part of our humanist experience is that, as French philosopher Emmanuel Levinas said in 1981 in Ethique &amp; Infini, that I am able to engage with somebody else, and therefore reflect on my own humanity because I can see the other&#039;s face, in its nudity, which means it vulnerability, reminding me of my own vulnerability. Not only therefore do I consider wearing the niqab deshumanising for the person that wears it, but also for me as well. And this is true of all sort of fully veiled types. Remember the Klu - Klux - Klan wearing their long white robes. This is of the same order (I tell you immediately I do not compare Islam to KKK but I am just using this as an analogy - it could be Christians, Jews or Buddhist wearing the niqab, my comments would be the same).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alana:</p>
<p>I want to comment on your post as you invited us to read it on Gary&#8217;s wall.</p>
<p>The truth is I probably agree with Gary&#8217;s conclusion that New Labour is to blame for the rise of the BNP however I very much disagree with the justification. </p>
<p>In your post, you too seem to consider that Jack Straw&#8217;s comments on the niqab were incendiary or offensive. I am very much supportive of the right for women (or men) to freely choose how to dress within the bounds of decency in public (although I highly support the right of men and women to also go fully naked on naturist beaches if they feel like it). As such my first view on the niqab is: if some muslim want to wear it, then they should. However, there are some additional factors there that also need to be taken into account. First of all &#8211; it is well known and well documented that the wearing of the niqab is very often under the constraint of family environment (husband, father) etc (I tell you immediately that I am ready to concede that some muslim women will say they wear it totally from their own will). As such &#8211; and also because in some Muslim countries (or some specific regions of Muslim countries &#8211; for instance there is a big difference between big cities in Syria (Aleppo/ Damascus) where you will see women unveiled, and some more remote villages where you won&#8217;t see any unveiled women)) wearing the niqab is a constraint for women, and also prevents them from engaging in societal activities, or what would one call emancipation. The same happens in some places in France, and women&#8217;s associations (composed of 1srt or second generation immigrants) are fighting a long and hard battle to change mentalities.</p>
<p>The point of the niqab is that it established an assymetric relationship between the person that wears it and the person that does not. I can bee seen, but I can&#8217;t see. One of the main characters of our societies, and part of our humanist experience is that, as French philosopher Emmanuel Levinas said in 1981 in Ethique &amp; Infini, that I am able to engage with somebody else, and therefore reflect on my own humanity because I can see the other&#8217;s face, in its nudity, which means it vulnerability, reminding me of my own vulnerability. Not only therefore do I consider wearing the niqab deshumanising for the person that wears it, but also for me as well. And this is true of all sort of fully veiled types. Remember the Klu &#8211; Klux &#8211; Klan wearing their long white robes. This is of the same order (I tell you immediately I do not compare Islam to KKK but I am just using this as an analogy &#8211; it could be Christians, Jews or Buddhist wearing the niqab, my comments would be the same).</p>
<p>What do you think ?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article Alana. While I laud you for being an iconoclast, do you fear that by vindicting the BNP&#039;s use of Churchill, that you are not tearing him down, but raising Griffin up?  In particular, the historical verdict on Churchill is fairly well entrenched.  By associating the BNP and Churchill, are you legitimatizing their views.  True, Churchill was a racist.  And this is not to excuse him, but could you not argue that he was a product of his time, his class, his education, etc.  That since then, vast improvements - even enlightening progress - have been made on these fronts because of dedicated activists, mass education, legislative reform, etc.  For example, even as late as the 1960s, in my country many people viewed the African American quest for equal rights as outrageous.  However, today no self-respecting person - even in rural Mississippi - would hold the same beliefs as their grandparents.  So my point is not to let Churchill off the hook - but he held those beliefs almost 50 years ago.  The BNP and Griffin have been locked in a time capsule for that time and *still* holds those views and probably worse.  

&gt;&gt; On a similar topic - with your book coming out in America for teenagers, I hope that you have some information that addresses race athletics.  If there is a last bastion of racism, it is in the belief that some races are &quot;better&quot; at certain sports than others.  In particular there is a lot empirical &quot;evidence&quot; that cites the overwhelming number of AA athletes in leagues like the NBA, or the view numbers of AA NFL Quarterbacks (see Rush Limbaugh comments), or even that AA athletes cannot swim... as proof that there are eugenic properties to race.  Would love to see your response to that notion, I think a chapter on Race and Sport would really be interesting to the American teenager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article Alana. While I laud you for being an iconoclast, do you fear that by vindicting the BNP&#8217;s use of Churchill, that you are not tearing him down, but raising Griffin up?  In particular, the historical verdict on Churchill is fairly well entrenched.  By associating the BNP and Churchill, are you legitimatizing their views.  True, Churchill was a racist.  And this is not to excuse him, but could you not argue that he was a product of his time, his class, his education, etc.  That since then, vast improvements &#8211; even enlightening progress &#8211; have been made on these fronts because of dedicated activists, mass education, legislative reform, etc.  For example, even as late as the 1960s, in my country many people viewed the African American quest for equal rights as outrageous.  However, today no self-respecting person &#8211; even in rural Mississippi &#8211; would hold the same beliefs as their grandparents.  So my point is not to let Churchill off the hook &#8211; but he held those beliefs almost 50 years ago.  The BNP and Griffin have been locked in a time capsule for that time and *still* holds those views and probably worse.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; On a similar topic &#8211; with your book coming out in America for teenagers, I hope that you have some information that addresses race athletics.  If there is a last bastion of racism, it is in the belief that some races are &#8220;better&#8221; at certain sports than others.  In particular there is a lot empirical &#8220;evidence&#8221; that cites the overwhelming number of AA athletes in leagues like the NBA, or the view numbers of AA NFL Quarterbacks (see Rush Limbaugh comments), or even that AA athletes cannot swim&#8230; as proof that there are eugenic properties to race.  Would love to see your response to that notion, I think a chapter on Race and Sport would really be interesting to the American teenager.</p>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by basem adi, RaceProject.org. RaceProject.org said: Griffin was right about one thing &#124; Alana lentin.net http://bit.ly/2FOK2 [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Thanks for posting our video, and I&#039;m glad you enjoyed it. That&#039;s great that you plan on using it in class, please let us know what your students think. You can email me at urquhart at sum of change dot com, or go to http://www.SumofChange.com/Contact

Thanks again,
Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Thanks for posting our video, and I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed it. That&#8217;s great that you plan on using it in class, please let us know what your students think. You can email me at urquhart at sum of change dot com, or go to <a href="http://www.SumofChange.com/Contact" rel="nofollow">http://www.SumofChange.com/Contact</a></p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Will</p>
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